Should We Be More Worried About Ukraine’s Azov Battalion?

By | November 14, 2022

A listener calls in to ask if we should be worried about the United States arming the Ukrainian Azov Battalion. The Azov Battalion has been accused of nationalist a neo-Nazi ties. Are we creating a new fascist Taliban as the US did in Afghanistan in the 80s?

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Yeah, I’m just calling because. I’m sorry. This is Chuck POI from Louisville Kentucky. I’m just calling because I have a question in regard to Ukraine. I know you talk about it a lot lately. and essentially I was just wondering like all these weapons that we are sending over to Ukraine is this a risk that a lot of these are going over to the Azov Battalion in certain radicalized groups over there. I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on if we were creating a new mujahideen Taliban kind of situation in Ukraine in the future. I mean I would imagine that the weapons are going to all of the militaries there. but no do I think that we’re creating some type of like I mean none of these groups have a history in my estimation of like you know International Terror. no, I think that is like honestly I mean look you’re flooding a country with weapons I think that’s going to be an issue after the fact. but do I think that they’re going to start to be like they’re going to be their own separatist? no. organization no. we should be transferred on at the beginning of this conflict who addressed the sort of like that Azov Battalion. and look we had a general in the United States military that got up in front of at a military function and basically said our God is better than their God. and we’re gonna mean like you’d be hard-pressed to find a military where there aren’t fascistic elements within a military. Regardless of what country it is. I mean you really like you know like we’ve got those problems. you know the Christian Theocratic fundamentalist problem that we have in the U.S military I think is massive. It is widespread. and so I you know I think that like I honestly think that the sort of like the focus on that Battalion to whatever extent that they are you know you know appraising of Nazis I think is really overblown. It’s a great point. and like I also just feel like there is the Battalion element it’s it makes it sound more concrete than it actually is. like there are, it’s like with cops as well. you’re always going to find people drawn to authoritarian or fascist type stuff when they’re just frankly in that environment.


Uh yeah I’m just calling because um I’m Sorry this is Chuck POI from Louisville Kentucky uh I’m just calling because I Have a question in regards to Ukraine I Know you talk about it a lot lately and Uh essentially I was just wondering like All these weapons that we are sending Over to Ukraine is this a risk that a Lot of these are going over to the azov Battalion in certain radicalist groups Over there I was just wondering if you Had any thoughts on that if we were Creating a new like mahaja Deen uh Taliban kind of situation in your grade In the future I I mean I would imagine That the uh the weapons are going to all Of the military there but no do I think That we’re creating some type of like I Mean none of these groups have uh History in my Estimation of of like You know International Terror now I Think that is like honestly I mean look You’re flooding a country uh uh with With weapons I think that’s going to be An issue after the fact but do I think That they’re going to start to be like a They’re going to be their own separatist No organization No we should be transferred on at the Beginning of the of this conflict who Addressed sort of like that uh as of Battalion and look We had a general in the United States

Military That got up in front of uh at a military Function and basically said our God is Better than their God And we’re gonna I mean like You’d be hard-pressed to find a military Where there aren’t like Fascistic elements within a military Regardless of what country it is I mean you really like you know like We’ve got those problems you know the The the Christian Theocratic Fundamentalist problem that we have in The U.S military I think is Um is massive it is widespread And so I you know I I think that like I honestly think that the sort of like The focus on that Battalion to whatever Extent that they are Um you know You know uh appraising of Nazis Um I think is really overblown it’s a Great point and like I also just feel Like there is like the Battalion element It’s it makes it sound more concrete Than it actually is like there are it’s Like it’s like with cops as well you’re Always going to find people drawn to Authoritarian or like fascist type stuff When they’re just frankly In in that environment And sometimes it draws those kinds I I understand what you guys are saying Uh I just brought that question up

Simply because I saw like a report from CNBC I believe that said like 30 of the Weapons were actually making it to the Military uh they they withdrew that Number but even if that number is uh Even a fraction of that percentage That’s uh I mean we’re still whenever we Sell weapons they end up going Everywhere I mean that’s that I mean that’s part of The reason why in general you know like You don’t want to sell you don’t want to Weapons manufacturers are just they’re They’re put they’re pumping stuff out The door of course But um the idea that like You know every uh uh uh adult male over What age you know is 18 17 in Ukraine is Uh has been basically told get a gun Right are you the countries being Invaded the entire country is being Invaded you want to start nationalism uh Invade a country yeah I mean I mean but no matter how you slice it You know once Russia decided to invade Ukraine a lot of this stuff was sort of Inevitable It was just going to be question of like How is this one can you imagine Russia If they were let’s say successful like Two-thirds successful just in what their Ambitions were of taking over Ukraine I mean do you like you know think about What’s going on in that situation

We’re get we’re arming the resistance The resistance is significant there’s We’re pumping guns in there they’re Willy-nilly there’s no structure to any Of this Um They’re you know cross-border uh uh you Know incursions into Russia and whatnot I mean that’s that’s the other scenario It’s not like the other scenario it’s Like okay Rush invades they take over It’s very peaceful even though it’s not The way it was going to work out You know how big a battalion is right No idea no okay take a guess [Music] Yeah a thousand’s like I think on the High end of a battalion How many how many like how many like uh Hundreds of thousands of people do you Think you’re fighting in Ukraine Yeah probably probably quite a few I’m Not uh I’m not uh saying anything about Like not Army Ukraine just to be clear I’m just uh no I know I got you I got You I’m just I’m not even arguing with This with you I mean I’m just saying Like you know the the the This is I think And again I’ve been you know quite clear That I want there to be some semblance Of conditions and uh I think it’s uh There should be a diplomatic track that Is being followed that obviously Ebbs

And flows at different times based upon What’s going on on the ground but I do Think that like the the talking point That like we’re funding you know a Thousand Nazis out of like you know Assuming like even if I stipulate that Um I think is is is really is overblown Well it also is giving caving into what Putin has been like his propaganda Effort for this war which was that this Is a denodification effort that’s that’s The thing is there’s two reasons why the ASAP Battalion has so much prominence And versus which Emma said in the middle Which is that like Russia has made it a Uh object of War propaganda in Invasion Propaganda and on the flip side as a Response to that you have people who Like especially in the media and this is What really Riles the people on the left Is when you’ll see like a picture of Somebody with like an asov a marking or Something like that and then it looks And it it kind of is uh media Apologizing for like that sort of maybe The Bandera ideology which is a Grotesque but like it’s the emphasis is Like the like you said about the numbers It’s over emphasized because of Basically counter in propaganda lines And if we were to pull like on an issue By issue basis what some views are in Like our military I don’t think it would Be as you said Sam I’m kind of just

Restating it but that different than Than in Ukraine if if not like more Proportional here because as you like They’ve had to Get everybody to fight the invasion in Ukraine it’s a wider swath of people but Yeah but is it going to be uh a crap Show yeah but that that It was a crap show the day they decided To the Russia decided to invade it’s Just a question of like exactly what the Shape of the crap show is going to be Um all right let’s get to some IMS and Then we got to get out of here uh folks That uh completes the call-in portion of Our call I’m sorry we didn’t get to too Many but uh we’ll be taking Um plenty of calls over the next couple Of days Uh in preparation for the election Uh tomorrow which is tomorrow for those Who have forgotten

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